⚠️ This blog is a little angry.
This blog is about a controversial topic that I once had very strong feelings about. Today, I might not agree with those feelings, so anything written here should be considered being written by a MeowcaTheoRange of their time.
Thank you for understanding.
#thebadspace #meta
So there's this person named Tim W. I have absolutely no idea who they are, but in this conversation they drop DM's that I think adequately describe why people are worried about Ro.
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ALT:
DMs on Discord – welshpixie
ceahhettan Today at 10:29 AM
Gotta say I'm not upset by Ro leaving, honestly it will help the fedimins space feel safer for me and I think a few others.
welshpixie Today at 10:39 AM
Yeah I'm not really into the 'the Black guy leaving will make me feel safer' vibe right now, especially considering everything that's been going on this week, especially considering the huge eruption of racism that has been fedi these past few days, especially given the amount of racist abuse Ro and other PoC in fedimins have either had directed at them or been exposed to these past few days and if that's how you feel, please leave Fedimins
ceahhettan Today at 10:40 AM
He's made me feel unsafe since the start due to past history
nothing to do with his race everything to do with his history of harassing groups I'm close to. And his history of “let's have a conversation” following with ad hominem attacks and nastiness and accusations if you even try. I didn't like him to begin with, and stayed in fedimins and largely tried to ignore him.
welshpixie Today at 10:47 AM
I can't. Not after everything I've seen this week and the way people have responded to it. I've removed you from fedimins, because I know other PoC in there would not feel good about that if they knew what you're saying here
ceahhettan Today at 10:47 AM
Fine.
God do I hate this. I hate how WelshPixie handles this. I don't know what's going on in Fedimins, so I don't even know if this is valid or not – so this will be purely based on the standpoint of existing information.
First, let's gloss over this real quick:
Glossing over this real quick
Let's start from a place I have some experience and proof in.
He's made me feel unsafe since the start due to past history
nothing to do with his race[,] everything to do with his history of harassing groups I'm close to.
So, WP's reaction was initially thinking ceahhettan was complicit in why Ro left (which I'm guessing is because of the whole racism thing they described). This is their clarification that their relief is entirely unrelated to why Ro left.
And his history of “let's have a conversation” following with ad hominem attacks and nastiness and accusations if you even try. I didn't like him to begin with, and stayed in fedimins and largely tried to ignore him.
Yeah! I have proof for this.
The Part Where I Have Proof For This
Here, when @crashdoom@furry.engineer does “the whole community outreach thing…”, the whole conversation goes nowhere and faceplants.
I feel like Crashdoom has valid criticism here, but Ro does his thing, deflecting with stuff like “I don't care [if it seemed level-headed] to you. It wasn't targeted at you” and “You don't know that because you're making assumptions based on your ignorance of the project”.
Amendment by future MeowcaTheoRange
written 11/15/2023
Damn, that's a stupid way to put it. I think by "does his thing", I was trying to point out what Ro does *in general* in conversations like these, but that's just wrong.
Instead, what I should have meant instead of "his thing", is "the thing he does when someone he perceives as from 'the other side' enters the conversation".
Because to me, I still think Ro has a very partisan view of "who is for and against his work", which of course can be turned into accusations of racism, because the side that is "against his work" is also the side that is "against him".
Do NOT take this as "fact" or a "detailed observation", though. I'm just pulling guesses out of my ass based on what I've seen, which to this extent in my lapses of memory, is this angry blog and a few handfuls of events in the original thread I've remembered.
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Then, Crashdoom says something that ends up steering the conversation faceplant-ward.
“If you think this is an attack… it’s not, it’s trying to understand to project and do the whole community outreach thing…”
They say this, I'm guessing, because Ro has done nothing but deflect their criticism. And Ro... somehow takes this as... them saying it was an attack?
“Ha, you said it was an attack, not me.”
Which Crashdoom, of course, corrects – “Again, not an attack”.
Ro asks “it's weird you keep saying it”. I'm guessing why Crashdoom keeps saying it is because Ro said it “was an attack”, while they meant it “wasn't an attack”.
???
Then, Crashdoom says this – “I keep saying it since I keep getting hostility, and I’m not entirely sure why”.
Which brings us to the focus of our archive:
ALT:
@crashdoom@furry.engineer @cc@packmates.org It's your interpretation I'm hostile, which is racist to be honest. I'm just speaking plainly to you but because I'm not holding your hand, I'm HOSTILE! Ha, that's weird, bro.
The reply from @jsj@tech.lgbt about sums up my reaction to this.
“Dude, racist? You must be trolling. There’s no way you’re seriously playing that card based on what they’ve said. Anyone can see this is hostile. Race has nothing to do with it.”
Because, yeah! I feel like this is an out of proportion reaction to what is basically “Dude, I think you're hostile because I don't think you're engaging with me in good faith.” It was never about race, but Ro pretends like it is just because he was called a ““bad word”“.
Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart:
Boo-fucking-hoo.
Anyway
So, what I like (sarcastic) about WelshPixie is that they just completely ignore the concerns of the fedimin:
I can't. Not after everything I've seen this week and the way people have responded to it.
...What can't you? They didn't say anything about doing something. Huh?
I've removed you from fedimins, because I know other PoC in there would not feel good about that if they knew what you're saying here
So, yeah. Just ignore the concerns that a fedimin has brought up to you because you “know other PoC would not feel good”? About what, being represented by a guy who weaponizes his skin color so he can make others look bad?
Fine.
Amendment by future MeowcaTheoRange
written 11/15/2023
See my long post about the existence of the "race card".
https://moth.zone/notice/Abi8cbV3XmxkHjvv96
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An apology
Not really an apology. I have nothing tangible (yet) to apologize for, but I will apologize if you view this as hostile. I understand that.
I'm simply frustrated at the way things are being handled right now, and I think a concept like The Bad Space can flourish if done by the right person.
The Bad Space wasn't ever and should never be entirely about “stopping racism in the Fediverse” – that's only one goal out of many, and the manager of it acting like it's the big plan to “expose those on Fedi for their racist behaviour” is inaccurate and has caused overbearing issues in the form of literally everyone I know having a problem with The Bad Space.
Someone, please, make this better. Hell, feel free to legit just take my concept and make it into a real thing.
I just don't want this version of The Bad Space.
Addendum: About Tim W.
I have no idea who Tim is and I don't really care about them in specific. I'm only using their screenshot for this blog, and everything that's been said after is something I'm still torn about, so it's outside this blog's scope.